i don't know how anyone can operate in this environment. i have had businesses show me two plans -- if their taxes went up -- which they did, that you were going to cut back on 25 people. this was a 150-person firm. soots common sense, we don't have to guess at what is happening. it is not republican obstruction. the fact is, it is the policies that the president has put in place, he's making it more and more difficult for businesses to succeed. >> it's disheartening. you know, people -- business people are parking money -- not making investment decisions, not doing anything that might create jobs, but it's because they simply, either they feel overwhelmed or overburdened by policies they don't understand. as a matter of fact, we were we were trying to figure something out about the health care. that's not a good use of one's time, across america, businesses are struggling toking in out. instead of making things. it and -- simple and effective and efficient and fair, we are getting thousands of regulations that are confusing and stagnant an